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Just plain Rivka's avatar

I can’t claim to know why October 7 happened. I do think that even the Israeli right came to believe that the Palestinians were potential peace partners. That with enough work visas and economic incentives, the people of Gaza would follow their own best interests to thrive and prosper, instead of ensuring their own destruction by engaging in kidnapping and wanton murder of innocents.

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Diana Murray's avatar

"All that being said, it is hard to believe that Air Force pilots or base commanders sat on their hands while their fellow citizens were being slaughtered and kidnapped."

They didn't do that but they might have disobeyed orders to show up as they were exhorted to do by the people you cited and Yuval Diskin.

I'm not in Israel so I don't know what the information flow was there, but here (and I was glued to Telegram and Twitter) I didn't know what the hell was going on. It was all so confusing and shocking.

I read in an article by Ronen Bergman (no link, sorry) that Netanyahu, Gantz et al were getting their info from Hamas' Telegram channel. A few guys went down South on their own because friends called. But essentially there was an information vacuum and in this context I think there was insubordination. The Kaplan Street crowd wanted to show Netanyahu that he had no authority. They weren't averse to allowing a terrorist attack. Weren't they saying that Netanyahu was the worst thing ever? Weren't they comparing to literally Hitler? A Ma'alot might be just the thing to topple his government. I'm sorry to say this, but I think that's quite possible.

What shocks me is the absolute lack of any kind of basic security. Forget all the highfalutin' talk about "conceptzia" and so on, if I called 911 and told them that a bunch of armed men were patrolling my neighborhood with AR15s, I'd at least expect a couple of beat cops to show up.

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